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Fargoer wrote:

总觉得“永耽”、“永歇”都不是很贴切。改为“永驻”如何？

Beijing (CNN)A Chinese migrant worker with no college degree has found a solution to a complex math problem -- in what appears to be a real life version of the Oscar-winning movie "Good Will Hunting."

Yu Jianchun, who works for a parcel delivery company, said he'd always had a passion for numbers and has created an alternative method to verify Carmichael numbers.

His solution amazed academics, who said his proof was much more efficient than the traditional one.

"It was a very imaginative solution," said Cai Tianxin, a math professor at Zhejiang University.

"He has never received any systematic training in number theory nor taken advanced math classes. All he has is an instinct and an extreme sensitivity to numbers."

Carmichael numbers are sometimes described as "pseudo primes" -- they complicate the task of determining true prime numbers, which are divisable only by 1 and itself. They play an important role in computer science and information security.

Yu worked on his proof during his free time while building a new home in his village last year.

"I was overwhelmed with joy, because my solution was completely different to the classic algorithm," said Yu.
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wherestip wrote:



How about "永留"、"永滞"、"永存"、"永置"? 

David Lin wrote:



翻译为文言实非我所长，不知道 “永在” ＝ always present, 会否易明一点？

但是后面那句可能需要稍为更改：

若此即永在，止而无往。。。

供参考。

David Lin wrote:



翻译为文言实非我所长，不知道 “永在” ＝ always present, 会否易明一点？

但是后面那句可能需要稍为更改：

若此即永在，止而无往。。。

供参考。

wherestip wrote:



How about "永留"、"永滞"、"永存"、"永置"? 

Fargoer wrote:



我想改为：

此即永在，住而无往……。

不过这个“永在”不是对应“ always present ”　而是对应 " is always" 这个语素。“present" 已有“此即”与之对应。

Wherestip 说的对，我是不想反复用“在”字。这里有了“在”，后面就要改。您建议的“止”字不错。不过我又想到佛家好像有把“住”与“往”对照的用法，所以我现在更倾向于“住而无往”。

现在的版本是：

往者已往，已往何存？来着未来，未来安在？此即永在，住而无往，则时非其时，是为泥洹。

欢迎继续批评。

pkchan wrote:

往者已往，已往何存？ -> 往者已往， 既往何存？

来者未来 -> 來者不至

则时非其时，是为永恒 -> 則時亦非時，無窮也!

[Edited at 2016-07-20 15:21 GMT]

“止” 好像没能表达出一种前后持续的状态。“永在” 的 "在" 可以有双层解读

Saint Augustine 也说过：
“How can the past and future be, when the past no longer is, and the future is not yet? As for the present, if it were always present and never moved on to become the past, it would not be time, but eternity.”

pkchan wrote:

往者已往，已往何存？ -> 往者已往， 既往何存？

来者未来 -> 來者不至

则时非其时，是为永恒 -> 則時亦非時，無窮也!

[Edited at 2016-07-20 15:21 GMT]

QHE wrote:
　
往者已往，已往何存？来者未来，未来安在？若此永在无往，则时非其时，是为永恒。

David Lin wrote:

不過，還想不通 QHE 所言與原文有何出入：


原文想表達 ”前后持续“ 的狀態，”永在“ 不是已經表達了 ”always present“ 嗎？

”止“ 或 ”住“ 是要表達 “never moved on ....”

QHE wrote: "eternity"

“止” 好像没能表达出一种前后持续的状态。

QHE wrote: "eternity"

“永在”的"在"可以有双层解读；为了避免重复，不知能不能把“此即永在，住而无往”合二为一

QHE wrote:




David,

我可能写得过于简略了，再解释一下。


正是因为要贴切地表达 "never moved on ... "，所以我觉得"止"，有别于 "留"、"存"、"住"...；"止"字多少意味着前面某种进行状态或运动的中断 (嘎然而止)，还是没能更好地表达出一种持续的状态。当然，"止"字也是不错的选择，只是相对而言。



正如 Steve 所说，Fargoer 在尽量避免反复使用"在"字，我于是想到了“合二为一”。因为"在"可以理解为现在，存在和呈现；所以我想以 “若此永在无往” 对应原文中的 "if it were always present and never moved on to become the past”.

Fargoer wrote:

水太多就是钱太多，怕没地儿花。

Across central and southern China this year, flooding has affected more than 60 million people, with more than 200 killed and 147 billion yuan ($22 billion) in losses.