Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italiano term
Italia
Graduated from Westminster University
Native in: Italiano
Works in: Da Italiano a Inglese, Da Inglese a Italiano, Inglese, and 1 more.
tirocinio di orientamento e formazione
I want to translate with "AGREEMENT FOR THE ORGANIZATION OF A TRAINING AND VOCATIONAL GUIDANCE APPRENTICESHIP" but it seems too wordy
how about 'VOCATIONAL GUIDANCE TRAINEESHIP' instead of 'TRAINING AND VOCATIONAL GUIDANCE APPRENTICESHIP'?
| 4 | internship/apprenticeship |
wordgirl
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| 4 +1 | orientation and training course |
Kate Chaffer
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| 4 +1 | on-the-job training |
Paul O'Brien
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Apr 2, 2009 15:36: Oscar Romagnone changed "Language pair" from "Da Inglese a Italiano" to "Da Italiano a Inglese"
Apr 2, 2009 16:59: Emanuela Galdelli changed "Term asked" from "TIROCINIO DI ORIENTAMENTO E FORMAZIONE" to "tirocinio di orientamento e formazione"
Apr 3, 2009 20:31: wordgirl Created KOG entry
Apr 5, 2009 14:21: wordgirl changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/747145">wordgirl's</a> old entry - "tirocinio "" to ""internship""
Proposed translations
internship/apprenticeship
tirocinio [n] apprenticeship; training; internship; probation t. collettivo: collective training ¦¦ t. professionale: vocational training ¦¦ fare il t. in banca: to do one's training in a bank ¦¦ fare il proprio t.: to do one's training; to serve one's apprenticeship; to keep one's terms (as a probationer)
The thing about a tirocinio in Italy is that it is not exactly a course; legally, it is more similar to an actual job (ie often the trainee actually gets paid, rather than having to pay) and it often goes w/ a specific legal and tax status as well...
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Note added at 47 mins (2009-04-02 16:21:58 GMT)
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Now, clearly, if you are doing any sort of tirocinio, you WILL be receiving BOTH orientation and training (formazione), so, while in Italian it is fine to put it ALL in there, I would do a massive trim in the English version, so as to avoid redundancy (the IT>EN translator's worst nightmare!) ;)
(Back with links in a flash)
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Note added at 55 mins (2009-04-02 16:30:27 GMT)
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http://www.professionearchitetto.it/concorsi/notizie/6604.as...
http://www.comunicatoripubblici.it/index.html?id=165&n_art=3...
http://www.unesco.org/delegates/italy/tiro.htm
http://www.informagiovani.comune.pesaro.pu.it/index.php?id=1...
http://www.ccdinf.unimi.it/en/tirocini/index.html
Hope this helps!
Italia
Il meglio dell'Italia, in inglese
Native in: Inglese (Variants: British, UK) 
Works in: Da Italiano a Inglese
orientation and training course
Have a look and see if some of these look similar to what you're translating about...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-Se...
(By the way you've posted the question twice)
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Note added at 38 mins (2009-04-02 16:12:46 GMT)
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Or without the 'and'...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-Se...
Argentina
Legal and environment specialist, PhD
Native in: Inglese 
Works in: Da Italiano a Inglese, Da Spagnolo a Inglese, Inglese
on-the-job training
| agree |
Ashish (HIN,ENG) Nadia (ITA)
: @ paul would you consider 'the' to be operatve here? doesn't on-job suffice?
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