Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italiano term or phrase:
"viola da gamba" or "viola de gamba"
Inglese translation:
Viola da gamba in English
Added to glossary by
George Rabel
Jul 4, 2005 11:50
18 yrs ago
Italiano term
TRANSLATIONS THAT READ LIKE ORIGINALS
Native in: Spagnolo
Works in: Da Inglese a Spagnolo, Spagnolo, Da Spagnolo a Inglese, and 1 more.
"viola da gamba" or "viola de gamba"
Da Italiano a Inglese
Arte/Letteratura
Musica
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Dear colleagues,
This is related to a KudoZ question posted in the Portuguese-English pair.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1080088?login=y
I offered "viola de gamba" and received a disagree by a colleague who says the correct term in Italian is "viola da gamba".
I searched several English dictionaries, and at least one (The Oxford SuperLex), lists both "de" and "da".
In Google, I found 6 pages in Italian with "viola de gamba", vs 12,300 hits for "viola da gamba".
My specific question is:
When writing in English, is it incorrect to call the intrument "viola DE gamba"? I have seen it used many times. I am a great lover or baroque music and have a collection of CDs and albums with music by Bach, Vivaldi, and other baroque composers, and I am quite certain that the term "viola de gamba" is quite extended.
Thank you in advance.
Thanks in advance.
This is related to a KudoZ question posted in the Portuguese-English pair.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1080088?login=y
I offered "viola de gamba" and received a disagree by a colleague who says the correct term in Italian is "viola da gamba".
I searched several English dictionaries, and at least one (The Oxford SuperLex), lists both "de" and "da".
In Google, I found 6 pages in Italian with "viola de gamba", vs 12,300 hits for "viola da gamba".
My specific question is:
When writing in English, is it incorrect to call the intrument "viola DE gamba"? I have seen it used many times. I am a great lover or baroque music and have a collection of CDs and albums with music by Bach, Vivaldi, and other baroque composers, and I am quite certain that the term "viola de gamba" is quite extended.
Thank you in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations
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Viola da gamba in English
according to ALL my French dicos. viola de gambe is French.
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Note added at 9 mins (2005-07-04 12:00:14 GMT)
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Viola da Gamba Society of America
Web site of the Viola da Gamba Society of America.
vdgsa.org/
The Viola da Gamba Society title page
Information on the society, membership, publications, and performers.
www.vdgs.demon.co.uk/ -
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Note added at 11 mins (2005-07-04 12:01:57 GMT)
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yes, Viola de Gamba is wrong in English I\'d say. Seems to be \'borrowed\' from the French.
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Note added at 46 mins (2005-07-04 12:37:02 GMT)
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yes, Viola de Gamba is wrong in English I\'d say. Seems to be \'borrowed\' from the French.
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Note added at 46 mins (2005-07-04 12:37:04 GMT)
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yes, Viola de Gamba is wrong in English I\'d say. Seems to be \'borrowed\' from the French.
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Note added at 1 hr 51 mins (2005-07-04 13:42:21 GMT)
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sorry for the repeats-when I looked, my addition was only there once and I only clicked once.. weird...
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Note added at 9 mins (2005-07-04 12:00:14 GMT)
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Viola da Gamba Society of America
Web site of the Viola da Gamba Society of America.
vdgsa.org/
The Viola da Gamba Society title page
Information on the society, membership, publications, and performers.
www.vdgs.demon.co.uk/ -
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Note added at 11 mins (2005-07-04 12:01:57 GMT)
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yes, Viola de Gamba is wrong in English I\'d say. Seems to be \'borrowed\' from the French.
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Note added at 46 mins (2005-07-04 12:37:02 GMT)
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yes, Viola de Gamba is wrong in English I\'d say. Seems to be \'borrowed\' from the French.
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Note added at 46 mins (2005-07-04 12:37:04 GMT)
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yes, Viola de Gamba is wrong in English I\'d say. Seems to be \'borrowed\' from the French.
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Note added at 1 hr 51 mins (2005-07-04 13:42:21 GMT)
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sorry for the repeats-when I looked, my addition was only there once and I only clicked once.. weird...
Peer comment(s):
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Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL
: viola da gamba, in Italian.
18 min
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are you related to 'the' Guarnieri family of violin-making fame?
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Linda 969
33 min
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T. Czibulyás
: viola da gamba ( italian) = chello
49 min
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JenK
: viola da gamba or bass viol, in my experience the Italian is used most often
1 ora
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Stefan de Boeck (X)
: viola da gamba is the only correct contemporary Italian term. It is, I quote from Garzanti (Dizionario) 'come l'odierno violoncello'; that is, 'like today's cello'. It is not the same instrumeny, however; Perhaps Vivaldi thought of it as 'viola de gamba'.
1 ora
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Nancy Arrowsmith
1 ora
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luskie
3 ore
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Rachel Fell
10 ore
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cologne
: According to The New Harvard Dictionary of Music, viol or viola da gamba. Viola DE gamba is Sp., and possibly Port. as well. // This is Laurel Boyd - Jane used this computer last! :-)
1 giorno 4 ore
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musical chairs? :-)
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