Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
l'immaginario patriottico-nazionale.
English translation:
national/nation's patriotic heritage
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Ivana UK
Oct 3, 2004 10:21
19 yrs ago
Italian term
l'immaginario patriottico-nazionale.
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I'm not sure how to translate "patriottico"
Proposed translations
(English)
4 | national/nation's patriotic heritage | tr. (X) |
4 +4 | national patriotic imagery | Science451 |
4 +4 | the country's collective imagination - v.s. | Mauro Baglieri |
4 | patriotic | Matteo Latini (X) |
2 +1 | national (patriotic) perception / view | tr. (X) |
2 | see comment | manducci |
Proposed translations
2 days 21 hrs
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national/nation's patriotic heritage
I think the full phrase makes things a bit different from what I'd previously assumed... So I'm entering a new answer as I'm picking a different word (hope that's ok?).
Given the context, I would actually keep the "patriotic" bit, and translate "immaginario" as "heritage" - I think it's more specific to the context of names and renaming the peaks, "heritage" can also have this extra meaning of something geographical, a landmark, etc.
See:
1) http://www.helsinki.fi/maantiede/geofi/fennia/Fennia_178_1.h...
----- Landscaping the patriotic past: Finnish war landscapes as a national heritage
The landscapes of war and conflict — such as battlefields, relics of military constructions and memorials — are fundamental parts of the national iconography of modern states. (...) The remains of old battlefields in Eastern and Northern Finland and hundreds of war memorials and cemeteries all over the country are part of the local historical landscape and thus a part of the local memory and heritage. These landscapes are also an essential part of the processes of preservation, re-creation and representation of contemporary heritage-making and the tourism that has become attached to it. A new kind of patriotic heritage-making has also emerged in Finland (...) -----
(Actually I think "iconography" wouldn't be a bad alternative either, but I prefer "heritage".)
2) http://www.cityofhenderson.com/news/php/newstemplate.php?pag...
----- The Memorial Wall is just one way that Henderson honors its patriotic heritage. -----
3) http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r104:E29SE5-163:
----- Mr. Speaker, I rise today in honor and recognition of Columbus Day and in celebration of Italian-American heritage. (...) Happy Columbus Day to my fellow Italian-Americans as they celebrate our patriotic heritage. -----
4) http://www.greateryellowstone.org/news/op-eds/op-ed-nat-reso...
----- We call on Bush to open his eyes and see the wildlands he visits this week for what they truly are: not just a source of commodities to be extracted but an intrinsic part of **this nation's patriotic heritage** -- a symbol of our national vigor and freedom and an irreplaceable trust for our future. -----
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If it helps, I've done a quick translation of the whole phrase because I needed to see how the whole flowed together:
--- The latter has turned into a battleground for nationalistic competition, a challenge that sees the "Deutscher und Österreichischer Alpenverein" and the Italian "Società Alpinisti Tridentini" engaged in a sort of nationalistic colonisation of [or: in a nationalistic race to colonise/conquer...?] the Alpine peaks-Spitzen, which are then renamed accordingly, with appellations drawing on the respective nation's patriotic heritage. ---
Where "respective nation" means the nation that gets to "conquer" the peak. I left out a few repetitions. Anyway it's just a rough translation to see how the "heritage" phrase fits in there.
Given the context, I would actually keep the "patriotic" bit, and translate "immaginario" as "heritage" - I think it's more specific to the context of names and renaming the peaks, "heritage" can also have this extra meaning of something geographical, a landmark, etc.
See:
1) http://www.helsinki.fi/maantiede/geofi/fennia/Fennia_178_1.h...
----- Landscaping the patriotic past: Finnish war landscapes as a national heritage
The landscapes of war and conflict — such as battlefields, relics of military constructions and memorials — are fundamental parts of the national iconography of modern states. (...) The remains of old battlefields in Eastern and Northern Finland and hundreds of war memorials and cemeteries all over the country are part of the local historical landscape and thus a part of the local memory and heritage. These landscapes are also an essential part of the processes of preservation, re-creation and representation of contemporary heritage-making and the tourism that has become attached to it. A new kind of patriotic heritage-making has also emerged in Finland (...) -----
(Actually I think "iconography" wouldn't be a bad alternative either, but I prefer "heritage".)
2) http://www.cityofhenderson.com/news/php/newstemplate.php?pag...
----- The Memorial Wall is just one way that Henderson honors its patriotic heritage. -----
3) http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r104:E29SE5-163:
----- Mr. Speaker, I rise today in honor and recognition of Columbus Day and in celebration of Italian-American heritage. (...) Happy Columbus Day to my fellow Italian-Americans as they celebrate our patriotic heritage. -----
4) http://www.greateryellowstone.org/news/op-eds/op-ed-nat-reso...
----- We call on Bush to open his eyes and see the wildlands he visits this week for what they truly are: not just a source of commodities to be extracted but an intrinsic part of **this nation's patriotic heritage** -- a symbol of our national vigor and freedom and an irreplaceable trust for our future. -----
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If it helps, I've done a quick translation of the whole phrase because I needed to see how the whole flowed together:
--- The latter has turned into a battleground for nationalistic competition, a challenge that sees the "Deutscher und Österreichischer Alpenverein" and the Italian "Società Alpinisti Tridentini" engaged in a sort of nationalistic colonisation of [or: in a nationalistic race to colonise/conquer...?] the Alpine peaks-Spitzen, which are then renamed accordingly, with appellations drawing on the respective nation's patriotic heritage. ---
Where "respective nation" means the nation that gets to "conquer" the peak. I left out a few repetitions. Anyway it's just a rough translation to see how the "heritage" phrase fits in there.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Perfect! Thank you so much for the time you spent on this - I apreciate your help... ! Ivana"
13 mins
patriotic
patriotic imagination
+4
29 mins
national patriotic imagery
litpaper - [ Traduci questa pagina ]
... a maternal example and is a constant reminder of the
**national patriotic** view of ... also
known as the “Mother of Exiles,” can easily portray motherly imagery. ...
webcomposer.pace.edu/nreagin/spring2002b/litpaper.html - 18k
The farm as the symbol of the state - [ Traduci questa pagina ]
... descriptions in biographies are an integral part of 'national patriotic' childhood,
showing ... Billy Ehn has stated that in ethnic imagery masculine pictures are ...
lepo.it.da.ut.ee/~lehti/Oralhistory/2.2.Ene.html - 58k
... a maternal example and is a constant reminder of the
**national patriotic** view of ... also
known as the “Mother of Exiles,” can easily portray motherly imagery. ...
webcomposer.pace.edu/nreagin/spring2002b/litpaper.html - 18k
The farm as the symbol of the state - [ Traduci questa pagina ]
... descriptions in biographies are an integral part of 'national patriotic' childhood,
showing ... Billy Ehn has stated that in ethnic imagery masculine pictures are ...
lepo.it.da.ut.ee/~lehti/Oralhistory/2.2.Ene.html - 58k
Peer comment(s):
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Mario Marcolin
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grazie
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agree |
tr. (X)
: could be, depending on the context
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grazie
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agree |
Balázs Gorka
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grazie
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agree |
sonja29 (X)
1 day 5 hrs
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grazie
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+1
2 hrs
national (patriotic) perception / view
or, also, simply:
the country's perception/notion/view of itself
it really depends on the context, if it's a neutral generic reference to a set of collective notions of one's country, you may want to leave out "patriotic" as it might be reduntant after "national" -- unless it's used in a more historical or political sense
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Note added at 2004-10-06 07:53:03 (GMT)
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I\'ve added another answer below, with a different translation for \"immaginario\" - I think \"perception\" would be too vague in the context of the full paragraph - see below!
the country's perception/notion/view of itself
it really depends on the context, if it's a neutral generic reference to a set of collective notions of one's country, you may want to leave out "patriotic" as it might be reduntant after "national" -- unless it's used in a more historical or political sense
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Note added at 2004-10-06 07:53:03 (GMT)
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I\'ve added another answer below, with a different translation for \"immaginario\" - I think \"perception\" would be too vague in the context of the full paragraph - see below!
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Catherine Bolton
: The redundancy of national/patriotic is the first thing that struck me too!
1 hr
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thanks - now with the full phrase I think it changes things a bit though...
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+4
34 mins
the country's collective imagination - v.s.
"immaginario patriottico nazionale" è per me una parafrasi del framoso termine dello psicanalista Jung "collective imagination" o "immaginario collettivo". Egli presuppone infatti che l'inconscio non sia solo limitato al singolo, ma anche alla comunità, dato che ogni persona interagisce con le altre e che esistono archetipi comportamentali comuni a tutti esseri umani in base ai quali la persona reagisce o si conforma (Dio, padre, madre, famiglia etc).
Spero possa servire:-)
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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs 49 mins (2004-10-04 23:10:56 GMT)
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P.S. ....\"the Spitzen Alps, re-christened with a name of /that stirred the country\'s collective imagination...
Ritengo che \"country\" possa andare perché significa anche patria ed è un termine tutto sommato abbastanza neutrale.
stir = evocare, provocare, suscitare
Spero possa servire:-)
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Note added at 1 day 12 hrs 49 mins (2004-10-04 23:10:56 GMT)
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P.S. ....\"the Spitzen Alps, re-christened with a name of /that stirred the country\'s collective imagination...
Ritengo che \"country\" possa andare perché significa anche patria ed è un termine tutto sommato abbastanza neutrale.
stir = evocare, provocare, suscitare
Peer comment(s):
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tr. (X)
: I prefer "perception" to "imagination" but I totally agree on the meaning
2 hrs
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thanks Traweb:-)
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agree |
Catherine Bolton
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thanks cbolton:-)
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sonja29 (X)
1 day 5 hrs
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thank you sonja29
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manducci
: re:note - now that we have more of the sentence, this would seem to be the sense .
2 days 5 hrs
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thanks:-)
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2 days 5 hrs
see comment
Now that we have some of the sentence I can see that my previous suggestion doesn't fit. As spitzen means "vette"(peaks) I can only imagine (as we still do not have the whole sentence), that the name of the alpine peaks has been changed from the Austrian name (Spitzen Alpine ) to the Italian name - in which case I would agree with Traweb and Bolton in that national/patriotic is redundant . However, if we had the WHOLE sentence it would be easier to help you!
Discussion
Quest'ultimo, vero e proprio terreno di competizione nazionalistica, vede impegnati il �Deutscher und �sterreichischer Alpenverein� e la �Societ� Alpinisti Tridentini� nella strenua conquista delle vette alpine in una sorta di colonizzazione nazionalistica delle cime-Spitzen alpine, ribattezzate con i nomi simbolo dell�immaginario patriottico-nazionale.
... le vette Spitzen Alpine ribattezzate con il nome del patriottico-nazionale ..