Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Jun 17, 2003 20:30
20 yrs ago
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German term
best age
German to English
Marketing
Textiles / Clothing / Fashion
fashion
Best Age Women legen Wert auf Qualität und Passform. Die Kollektion xxx setzt auf konfektionierte Hosen, die allen Figuren eine optimale Passform ermöglicht.
I know that 'best age' refers to mature, 45-60ish year olds. My problem is that this seems to be one of those anglicisms that isn't actually used in English but appears to have been coined by German marketeers!
Can anyone with a knowledge of the fashion industry confirm or disprove my suspicions? And what would you use instead of 'best age' to best describe this age group?
Thanks for your help.
I know that 'best age' refers to mature, 45-60ish year olds. My problem is that this seems to be one of those anglicisms that isn't actually used in English but appears to have been coined by German marketeers!
Can anyone with a knowledge of the fashion industry confirm or disprove my suspicions? And what would you use instead of 'best age' to best describe this age group?
Thanks for your help.
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Forty-something women
I gather you are looking for an English equivalent?
Found a neat definition indicating that this is indeed German socio-speak:
Verglichen mit früheren Generationen sind Frauen zwischen Anfang 40 und Ende 50 heute aktiver und attraktiver als je zuvor. Sie haben Erfahrungen gesammelt, die sie tagtäglich weitergeben. Welchen Einfluss nehmen Frauen dieser Altersgruppe - die Best Ager - auf ihre Umwelt? Welche Kompetenzfelder besetzen sie? Und wie werden sie von der nachfolgenden Frauen-Generation gesehen? (Selbstbild/Fremdbild).
http://www.bauermedia.com/studien/zielgruppen/best_age/best_...
Forty-something women seems to be used in health and also fashion contexts:
Inspite of the image thirty and forty-something women are embracing
this lifestyle without much worry of how others perceive them. ...
leatherspinsters.com/november.html
Forty Something and Beyond Midlife and beyond is a time of renewal for many women. Steady and strong, this ...
www.waukeshamemorial.org/cgi-bin/ home.pl?coeWomensHealth
As he watched the joyous scene unfold on the television screen of his family room late Monday night, the forty-something sports columnist felt mixed emotions. ...
enquirer.com/editions/2003/04/09/spt_wwwncaa1e9.html
Found a neat definition indicating that this is indeed German socio-speak:
Verglichen mit früheren Generationen sind Frauen zwischen Anfang 40 und Ende 50 heute aktiver und attraktiver als je zuvor. Sie haben Erfahrungen gesammelt, die sie tagtäglich weitergeben. Welchen Einfluss nehmen Frauen dieser Altersgruppe - die Best Ager - auf ihre Umwelt? Welche Kompetenzfelder besetzen sie? Und wie werden sie von der nachfolgenden Frauen-Generation gesehen? (Selbstbild/Fremdbild).
http://www.bauermedia.com/studien/zielgruppen/best_age/best_...
Forty-something women seems to be used in health and also fashion contexts:
Inspite of the image thirty and forty-something women are embracing
this lifestyle without much worry of how others perceive them. ...
leatherspinsters.com/november.html
Forty Something and Beyond Midlife and beyond is a time of renewal for many women. Steady and strong, this ...
www.waukeshamemorial.org/cgi-bin/ home.pl?coeWomensHealth
As he watched the joyous scene unfold on the television screen of his family room late Monday night, the forty-something sports columnist felt mixed emotions. ...
enquirer.com/editions/2003/04/09/spt_wwwncaa1e9.html
Peer comment(s):
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Trudy Peters
: I like that!
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uparis
: Not appropriate in a sales catalogue, although fine in a different context, of course
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sylvie malich (X)
: sure! why not in this context?
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Edhild
: I also read 40 + (or 40 plus)
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Ron Stelter
: But how can you call them "fortysomethings" if the age range Nicole herself stated is up to age 60?
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Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
: what a compliment for the 60´s!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for all your help. I ended up using 'mature women over 40' so the points should really be split between Johanna and Ron! Johanna's reference clinched it for her."
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reife Frauen
oder Frauen im besten Alter, ist durchaus eine Formulierung, die wir gebrauchen. Frage doch einmal bei Brigitte oder anderen Zeitschriften für Frauen nach...
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Georgios Paraskevopoulos
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Ron Stelter
: Englisch, bitte! Your answer isn't bad-depending upon how you would translate "reife"
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Damen im besten Alter
as anything else is not very complimentary. "Reif" and "Golden Age" implies age - and I do not many ladies that like to be reminded of the years ...
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mature women
That's what I would say. Things like "golden age" remind me of the television show "Golden Girls" and may be overdoing the age thing.
I would NOT say "best age."
Alice B Silver Size: fashion for mature women
Professor David Demko, PhD
AgeVenture News Service
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After 16 exciting years in the fashion industry, Ellen Hanley (photo), a native New Yorker, decided it was time to realize her vision to revolutionize women's wear. The result was an entire redefinition of standard garment industry sizing in order to precisely tailor a fit for the maturing woman's form. It all started a long time ago. As a young woman, Ellen made specially tailored clothes for her grandmother, Alice Boylan. Alice found that the styles in the stores no longer fit her form the way they once did. So grand-daughter Ellen developed garments with special features that fit her grandmother's body, were easy to put on, and were stylish.
From that earlier experience, Ellen became aware of a lack of correct sizing in the industry. As a result, she redefined the sizing system which addresses the shifts that take place in a mature woman's figure. This classification is now called "Silver Size". Alice B, the line created in honor of her grandmother, was developed based on well-researched needs of mature women which address three principles of design: fit, fashion, and function.
First of all, the fit of the Alice B line reflects the spinal curvature, height, and weight relocation associated with later maturity. Secondly, it is the goal of the Alice B line to provide high quality garments for the mature woman who is active and fashion conscious. Third, attention is given to function, or ease of wear. For example, hard-to-reach back zippers were eliminated along with tiny buttons that are often hard-to-manipulate.
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This link may be a little better in explaining my point. The use of \"mature\" here clearly refers to \"age,\" not to shape. It also refers to the general age range Nicole indicated.
Part 1: Fashion over 50
More of this Feature
• Part 2: Do\'s and Don\'ts
Join the Discussion
\"Fashion has been evolving in many ways... It has mostly put the focus of fashion on the younger generations, also it has made the older want to become younger.\"
JESIEGIRL
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Think you need to dress your age? Or do you think that\'s an outdated notion? Find out in this new series \"Fashion at any age.\" We\'ll take a look at tips and trends for every age group over the next few weeks.
The problem isn\'t being comfortable in your over-50 skin: wisdom, maturity and fulfillment boost your sense of well-being.
Instead, the challenge is simply finding wearable, modern clothes to fit your lifestyle, budget and figure.
Pros may tout fashion now as being ageless, but that\'s no consolation when you have to pick through racks of miniskirts and low-rise jeans to find styles you love.
Keeping up with trends can be even more difficult because many fashion magazines ignore women over a certain age.
And even when the glossies try to address the issue, they tend to forget that mature women can be just as fashionable as young girls.
http://fashion.about.com/library/weekly/aa080301a.htm
I would NOT say "best age."
Alice B Silver Size: fashion for mature women
Professor David Demko, PhD
AgeVenture News Service
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After 16 exciting years in the fashion industry, Ellen Hanley (photo), a native New Yorker, decided it was time to realize her vision to revolutionize women's wear. The result was an entire redefinition of standard garment industry sizing in order to precisely tailor a fit for the maturing woman's form. It all started a long time ago. As a young woman, Ellen made specially tailored clothes for her grandmother, Alice Boylan. Alice found that the styles in the stores no longer fit her form the way they once did. So grand-daughter Ellen developed garments with special features that fit her grandmother's body, were easy to put on, and were stylish.
From that earlier experience, Ellen became aware of a lack of correct sizing in the industry. As a result, she redefined the sizing system which addresses the shifts that take place in a mature woman's figure. This classification is now called "Silver Size". Alice B, the line created in honor of her grandmother, was developed based on well-researched needs of mature women which address three principles of design: fit, fashion, and function.
First of all, the fit of the Alice B line reflects the spinal curvature, height, and weight relocation associated with later maturity. Secondly, it is the goal of the Alice B line to provide high quality garments for the mature woman who is active and fashion conscious. Third, attention is given to function, or ease of wear. For example, hard-to-reach back zippers were eliminated along with tiny buttons that are often hard-to-manipulate.
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Note added at 2003-06-18 14:46:39 (GMT)
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This link may be a little better in explaining my point. The use of \"mature\" here clearly refers to \"age,\" not to shape. It also refers to the general age range Nicole indicated.
Part 1: Fashion over 50
More of this Feature
• Part 2: Do\'s and Don\'ts
Join the Discussion
\"Fashion has been evolving in many ways... It has mostly put the focus of fashion on the younger generations, also it has made the older want to become younger.\"
JESIEGIRL
Related Resources
• Mom gets a makeover
• Shop for classic clothes
• Shop for casual clothes
From Other Guides
• Clothes for Seniors
• Aging and maturing skin
Elsewhere on the Web
• Senior-Spirit
Think you need to dress your age? Or do you think that\'s an outdated notion? Find out in this new series \"Fashion at any age.\" We\'ll take a look at tips and trends for every age group over the next few weeks.
The problem isn\'t being comfortable in your over-50 skin: wisdom, maturity and fulfillment boost your sense of well-being.
Instead, the challenge is simply finding wearable, modern clothes to fit your lifestyle, budget and figure.
Pros may tout fashion now as being ageless, but that\'s no consolation when you have to pick through racks of miniskirts and low-rise jeans to find styles you love.
Keeping up with trends can be even more difficult because many fashion magazines ignore women over a certain age.
And even when the glossies try to address the issue, they tend to forget that mature women can be just as fashionable as young girls.
http://fashion.about.com/library/weekly/aa080301a.htm
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Beth Kantus
: see http://wearablesbusiness.com/ar/apparel_boomer_generation_dr...
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Johanna Timm, PhD
: I would associate "mature" with a certain silhouette/size( the website you quoted confirms this) However,there are some slim fifty-year-olds out there!
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Johanna, I don't think it's a bad answer. I think you can use it in a nice way to refer to women who are a little older. I don't think that it necessarily has to imply that women are overweight, voluptuous, "pleasingly plump," etc.
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Chris Rowson (X)
: I think "mature woman/women" is good for 45 - 60.
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sylvie malich (X)
: yikes! I'm with Johanna Timm. Let's get away with grouping women in their 40s with retirees.
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I don't see what you're talking about, Sylvie. I don't see where I'm lumping 40-somethings or whomever with retirees
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Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
: mature sounds very old...
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I certainly don't see where "mature" implies very old. In fact, I think it's a good word for the age group intended. In fact, Nicole uses the very word herself (which I just noticed)
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Stultitia Au (X)
: "mature" is a nice, neutral term
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danke
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Women in the prime of life
One more idea.
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Or: women in their prime
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Or: women in their prime
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uparis
: Yes, "prime of life" is good, but not crazy about "women". Maybe in the singular, with a catchy adjective
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The discerning woman, in the prime of life, values ....
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David Moore (X)
: Perhaps "women in their prime"?
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That's what I suggested as an alternative. But "the woman in her prime" might work too.
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Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
: beautiful!
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heyday
maybe something with heyday
Women/ladies in their heyday
Women enjoying the best years of their life
Women at their peak
Ladies of a certain age (!)
Ladies in their autumn years (actually that sounds pensionable!)
The sophisticated / elegant lady/woman
(maybe combination of sophisticated and lady indicates a certain age/experience?)
hth
Women/ladies in their heyday
Women enjoying the best years of their life
Women at their peak
Ladies of a certain age (!)
Ladies in their autumn years (actually that sounds pensionable!)
The sophisticated / elegant lady/woman
(maybe combination of sophisticated and lady indicates a certain age/experience?)
hth
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David Moore (X)
: The(ir) "heyday" is almost certainly a long way behind them.... At least, that's the implication of the word.
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I took it to mean 'flush or full bloom', climax of vigour, prosperity, gaiety etc....but if it's ambiguous, it definitely won't work ...
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Elegant Age / Age of Elegance
As in "Elegant Age" women are timeless. You also buy a secondary meaning.
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Women in their sixties don\'t need to be forty anymore. They are quite adventuresome, to the point, I would say, even of \'costuming\' in its broadest sense.
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Women in their sixties don\'t need to be forty anymore. They are quite adventuresome, to the point, I would say, even of \'costuming\' in its broadest sense.
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