Feb 1, 2011 22:03
13 yrs ago
English term

blunt accent

English Other Linguistics
I understand it as a blunt, unpresedenterd accent of a foreigner. Does it mean it anything more siblime, in connection to physical "blunt" ? Like in "blunt saying"?
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Feb 1, 2011 22:17: Tony M changed "Field" from "Social Sciences" to "Other" , "Field (specific)" from "Transport / Transportation / Shipping" to "Linguistics"

Discussion

Jonathan MacKerron Feb 2, 2011:
with Tony Without Alexandra giving us more context the whole thing remains an exercise in futility.
Allison Wright (X) Feb 2, 2011:
Flat, clipped, unpolished, coarse I go with Travellin Ann on "flat". e.g. a South African accent is often described as "flat" compared British English because the vowel sounds are "flattened". "Cat" in SA English sounds to a British ear as being halfway between "cat" and "cet". This gives SA speech a "clipped" sound. It also gives the impression that the speaker is ill-educated, and uncultured, when this is not necessarily the case. I would understand a "blunt accent" to be a value judgement, and may apply to how one would describe how peasants speak, compared to the cognoscenti.
Travelin Ann Feb 2, 2011:
@Alexandra I truly cannot understand your comment
Tony M Feb 2, 2011:
Your question is unclear Have you encountered this word used in reference to an accent somewhere, and want to know he nuance of meaning it may ahve? Or are you simply asking if this word can validly be applied to an accent?

BTW, I think a hman brain can be 'blunt' — though we more often use the word 'dull', which can also be applied to a cutting edge, meaning exactly that: blunt.

We talk of people being 'dull-witted'

But I for one don't really have a very clear idea what a 'blunt accent' might sound like...
Alexandra Taggart (asker) Feb 1, 2011:
Dear Sir, I've went through several sites. You see, I'm looking for personal opinion.What. actually, interest me, is physical transgressing into verbal through phsychic.The knife can be blunt, but, the human mind cannot be "blunt".But even more subtle - the ability to speak is "blunt".As a linguist, I come here armless, because i cannot find equivalent, colourful, colouful enough, to this word. Anythyng that comes is "bad". Idiot knows it.
Travelin Ann Feb 1, 2011:
While it is not the first word I would have thought to use to describe the awkwardness of a non-native, I did find a few ghits for "blunt accent":
http://wisecurve.com/how-to-study-for-language-subjects/
http://www.digitalspy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1428349
Alexandra Taggart (asker) Feb 1, 2011:
I would take Tony's words.... The word "blunt" doesn't explain peevish attitude of native to an ignorerent foreigner, but, what im' takingf on, why the word "blunt" was taken to descrbide bad prononciation? Since in our lives were astablished certain standardards(since we accept sombody's pronouniatiotin) , isn't it, we find words for what is not accepted? What is for "completelely ununderstandable"? And where stands "blunt"?Davis's explanation matches my guesses, but I'm after the colour. You see, i'm taking a part in competition for Russian Lingvo new edddition in collocations to definitions. They're accepting computer take, but anythyng new may win.My trouble that i studied English as a child, so, i feel it, but when it comes to finf the core meanin g i'm going to comparisions in Russian.So, you see, I know where is the tit, but I don't know where to suck.

Responses

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an accent that is not smooth and natural-sounding

the non-native speaker's accent lacks the smoothness and naturalness of a native speaker (like my Spanish lol)

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might even sound harsh to a native-speaker's ears
Peer comment(s):

agree Travelin Ann : awkward or flat - lacking the natural rhythm of a native speaker//I've always chuckled that the accent of a French native, speaking English, is considered attractive, charming, even sexy, while the reverse is not true:)
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thanks Ann :) you should hear my Spanish according to my adoptive daughter lol
agree Tony M : Though I find 'blunt' itself to be a slightly odd word to apply to an accent; but certainly nothing to do with a 'blunt remark'!
10 mins
thanks Tony and I agree that "blunt" is not a typical turn of phrase but it is understandable all the same :)
agree Mark Nathan : Yes, that's what I was trying to say!
15 mins
thanks Mark and we're getting there :)
agree Phong Le
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agree Ingunite : Another possibility: a coarse accent ?
2 hrs
neutral B D Finch : Blunt northern English accents are often considered more "natural-sounding" than southern accents.
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Unpolished

Alexandra, I like your questions as they so often challenge a native speaker's way of thinking.

I have never heard of a blunt accent, or a "blunt saying".

The normal meaning of blunt is either the opposite of sharp (as in a knife) or when one speaks bluntly, which means to speak very openly, or not to "beat around the bush" but just to say what you mean.
There is such thing as a polished accent, which an aristocrat might obtain by going to the right schools etc.

The opposite would be an unpolished accent, i.e. a crude or even vulgar accent that reflected little or no education, likely to be found in peasants or people of"low birth".

I guess it might also be said of the accent of a person speaking a foreign language, but that woud depend on how/where/ they had learnt the language.
Peer comment(s):

agree Lisa Miles : I like unpolished, and coarse
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agree Mwananchi
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neutral B D Finch : Cockney accents are neither polished nor blunt. However, Northern accents are often described as blunt and this is not considered a negative comment.
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Hi B, I think the asker is more concerned with foreign accents that grate on the ear than regional variations.
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overly staight-forward/pushy/insistent

is another possible interpretation. E.g., many English speakers find a strong German accent to be 'pushy', perhaps mostly due to 6 decades of Hollywood propaganda, from Colonel Klink to the Arnie S.

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But given Alexandra's complete lack of context - who knows??

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perhaps a reference to Emily Blunt's accent, you know, a blunt accent...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : Certainly the meaning I'd attribute to it if applied to a remark, say... but I find it difficult to relate this to someone's accent. An aggressive / overbearing tone, perhaps, but accent?
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google ["blunt accent" german], most refer to the tone that is supposedly a salient feature of any German accent
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accent that is not public school, middle or upper class English

Working class, colonial or foreign English. The English might be good, but it may lack that 'sharpness'. I would imagine this question has something to do with England.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : But it seems to be more to do with a foreigner's accent? In any case, we might say 'common' or 'vulgar', but I'd never associate 'blunt' with an accent as such.
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straightforward, without pretension

This is particularly likely if this is about somebody from the North of England. In fact Northerners are generally quite proud of being or sounding "blunt" and it is often used as a compliment. Northern English accents do have a particular sound that is well described this way and which is often considered attractive and reassuring, which is why call centres are often located in the North of England.

"Gawn Grainger and Richard Johnson turn in a fine pair of performances as the Mann brothers and Lizzie McInerny plays Nelly with a blunt northern accent. ..."
www.compulink.co.uk/~shutters/reviews/01147.htm

"Emperor Kev (With a blunt Northern accent) : New coloured lights, new steps at Oyster Cove, new loos, new bins, extra street cleaning, 'ey by gum! ..."
www.torbay.gov.uk/byethebye-06102008.doc

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'"Shakespeare sounds terrific in authentic northern voices"
Daily Telegraph

"The Northern voice, with its short blunt vowels and tactile concrete consonants, makes a sensual meal of language, quite unlike the icky snacking gone in for by some of the more clipped southern accents."
The Independent'
http://www.northern-broadsides.co.uk/PAGES/ABOUT_US/aboutus_...

See also the obituary of dancer, choreographer and writer Terry Gilbert:
'"He had a forthright manner and a blunt northern accent that in his early days earned him snobbish comments. "Many," he wrote, "noting my thick Derbyshire accent, were convinced that it was a miracle I managed a career at all."'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/terry-gilbert-7...
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