inner city

English translation: poor areas, usually within larger cities

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English term or phrase:	inner city
Selected answer:	poor areas, usually within larger cities
Entered by:	Will Matter

00:40 Oct 16, 2006

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English term or phrase: inner city

this time I can provide you with the context:
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The corollary of educational upgrading in new areas is educational loss in old industrial centres. Black inner cities have been especially hard hit by the sudden flight of the best-educated African-Americans, who since desegregation have had a choice about where they lived. Overall, the populations of cities in the north-east declined in the 1990s, whereas in the west they increased by 20%; cities with a lot of manufacturing grew much more slowly than average.

can anyone agree with me that they mean poor areas, if not then I will just write omit the word inner

thank you
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poor areas, usually within larger cities

Explanation:
"Inner cities" are usually poor.

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Will Matter
United States
Local time: 06:48

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4 +3

poor areas, usually within larger cities

Will Matter

4 +3

black inner city areas

maryrose

4 +2

deprived/poorer areas/ghettos

swisstell

4 +2

Poverty-stricken urban area

Anna Maria Augustine (X)

4 +2

central urban area

Silvia Brandon-Pérez

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5 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

poor areas, usually within larger cities

Explanation:
"Inner cities" are usually poor.

Will Matter
United States
Local time: 06:48
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

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Marcelo González: In the US, it's become synonymous with poverty, regardless of the location within a large city/metropolitan area, i.e, South Bronx, East L.A., Liberty City (in Dade Country, Florida); that is, it doesn't matter if the place is "centrally located"

4 hrs

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agree

humbird: The context clearly indicates this is about American cities. Now "upper class black flight", instead of "white flight". History repeats itself and poor people always left out.

10 hrs

-> Thank you.

agree

Charlesp

16 hrs

-> Thank you.

agree

Alfa Trans (X)

16 hrs

-> Thank you.

disagree

Richard Benham: This may be true as a matter of fact in some places (it certainly isn't in any major Australian city), but it is not part of the meaning of the term "inner city". It just means the inner bit of a city.//Wrong: "inner city" means "inner city"...everywhere.

39 days

-> NOT in America. Sorry, you're mistaken. Not here. You know that I rarely disagree with anyone but, as an American, who lives IN the "inner city" I am saying that this is the common and popular understanding of the term in America.

7 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

deprived/poorer areas/ghettos

Explanation:
An inner city is the central area of a major city. In the United States, Canada and United Kingdom, the term is often applied to the poorer parts of the city centre and is sometimes used as a euphemism with the connotation of being an area, perhaps a ghetto, where people are less educated and wealthy and where there is more crime. These connotations are less common in other Western countries, where deprived areas may be located in outlying parts of cities. In fact, with the gentrification of some formerly run-down central city areas a reverse connotation can apply – in Australia the term "outer suburban" applied to a person implies a lack of sophistication. For instance, in Paris the inner city is the richest part of the metropolitan area, where housing is the most expensive, and where elites and high-income individuals dwell. The suburbs, on the other hand, are known for poverty and crime. The French word for "suburb" ("banlieue") often has a negative connotation especially when used in the plural.

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the above is from www.wikipedia.com

swisstell
Italy
Local time: 15:48
Native speaker of: German

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Sophia Hundt (X): ghetto is definitely what I think about when I think of Chicago or Milwakee (in my state) inner city, for example. Mostly black people or sometimes mexians, puerto-ricans.

41 mins

neutral

humbird: Why do you quote other countries? The asker's context is clearly about American cities. Please do not stretch.

10 hrs

agree

Joe L: Though your answer's heading is a bit limited, the thorough explanation you provide says all. Gentrification mentioned is on the march in the U.S. Pls. disregard Susan. She's wants to pigeonhole term; she's bitter about similar question from day before.

17 hrs

disagree

Richard Benham: You are confusing the meaning of the term with the social connotations.

39 days

agree

Will Matter

39 days

25 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

Poverty-stricken urban area

Explanation:
And this will only confuse you more!!

Ghetto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The term now commonly labels any poverty-stricken urban area, ... words to describe these areas like Inner city and economically disadvantaged areas. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto - 59k - Cached - Similar pages

White flight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As wealthier white residents abandoned the inner city neighborhoods, ... disintegrated and ultimately turned into increasingly poverty-stricken and ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight - 54k - Cached - Similar pages

In When Work Disappears, William Julius Wilson discusses the ...
Wilson solutions to the unemployment and poverty problem plaguing the inner cities call for more aggressive policies. This would reverse the current trend ...
web.syr.edu/~fnesson/unemployment.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

Inner city's inner strengths mined | Chicago Tribune
... near one of Milwaukee's most poverty-stricken inner-city neighborhoods and was ... Astoundingly, almost 60 percent of the city's black males over age 16 ...
www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0510300415oct30,1,75432... - Similar pages

Inner city's inner strengths mined | Chicago Tribune
It sat like a wart near one of Milwaukee's most poverty-stricken inner-city neighborhoods and was a magnet for teens looking to hang out and make trouble. ...
www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0510300415oct30,1,75432... -

Anna Maria Augustine (X)
France
Local time: 15:48
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in category: 16

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

black inner city areas

Explanation:
You should translate the term as it is. Inner city, as SwissTell rightly says, does NOT imply "poor". Even in the text you quote, disadvantage is implied, but not overtly stated. I would not introduce interpretations like "poverty" because you would be going beyond the text.

Susan is also correct in saying you cannot omit "inner". "Inner city" is a fixed term.

Hope this helps.

maryrose
Local time: 23:18
Native speaker of: English

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

central urban area

Explanation:
Your question is whether you can just say poorer; I say, not necessarily. Yes, inner cities are frequently and mostly poorer areas, but you cannot assume that. There is an area in Newark, New Jersey, which would qualify as "inner city" and which is known as the Ironbound Section, originally settled by Portuguese iron workers... It is very much inner city, but does not qualify as poor; it has refused all government assistance or welfare. I would therefore not assume that the one means the other.

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I maintain what I said; you cannot quite simply assume any racial or class composition with the word "inner city." In Philadelphia, PA, where I spent the day yesterday, there are both portions of very drab inner city neighborhoods, which are racially mixed and poor, and 'gentrified' inner city neighborhoods, which are not. Both would qualify for this definition.

Inner city is more a geopolitical phrase.

Silvia Brandon-Pérez
United States
Local time: 06:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish

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