Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

to catch red-handed

Latin translation:

in flagranti delicto exceptus, -a, -um/deprehensus, -a, -um

Added to glossary by Joseph Brazauskas
Jan 29, 2010 11:04
14 yrs ago
English term

to catch red-handed

English to Latin Art/Literary Poetry & Literature Literary Idioms
Greetings,

I'm not sure which verb should be used here; furthermore, I am greatly confused as I find both in flagranti and in flagrante – surely both can't be right?

All the best, and many thanks,

Simon
Change log

Feb 9, 2010 17:13: Joseph Brazauskas changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/61459">SeiTT's</a> old entry - "to catch red-handed"" to ""in flagranti delicto exceptus, -a, -um/deprehensus, -a, -um""

Discussion

Ivo Volt Jan 29, 2010:
Indeed both "flagranti" and "flagrante" could be right, depending on usage. "Flagrans" is present participle from the verb "flagrare", and such participles usually take adjective ending -i when used as attributes, but 3rd declension substantive ending -e when used in ablativus absolutus. If you Google for "in flagranti" versus "in flagrante" (omitting "delicto"), you can see that "in flagranti" prevails, but the full phrase is more common as "in flagrante delicto".

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in flagranti delicto exceptus, -a, -um/deprehensus, -a, -um

'Exceptus' means 'caught unawares', 'deprehensus' (contracted form: 'deprensus') means 'caught by surprise'. 'Flagranti' is the preferred form here, for the reason which I explained in my note to Ms. Askew's rendering, that is, it's here used adjectivally, qualifying 'delicto'.

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However, my rendering above means 'caught red-handed'; 'to catch red-handed' is '(aliquem) in flagranti delicto excipere' or 'deprehendere'.
Peer comment(s):

agree ipv : agree with your note as well
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in flagrante delicto

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:4syU0m7m5BYJ:www.proz.c...

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in flagrante delicto
English translation: [caught] in the act
Entered by: Marian Greenfield

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however
absolutely loads of references for

in flagrantI delicto

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=flagranti de...

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however

279 hits for flagrantI

4,910 for flagrante

also, Marian Greenfield is very knowledgeable in this field.

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Definition "in flagranti" in the Collins English Dictionary ...
in flagranti definition : in flagrante delicto adv (Chiefly law) while committing the offence; red-handed, (Also) flagrante delicto (Latin, literally: with ...
dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/in%20flagranti - United States - Similar

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in flagrante delicto
adv.
Flagrante delicto.
[New Latin in flagrante dlict : Latin in, in; see in-2 + Medieval Latin flagrante dlict, while the crime is blazing; see flagrante delicto.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
in flagrante delicto [ɪn fləˈgræntɪ dɪˈlɪktəʊ]
adv
(Law) Chiefly law while committing the offence; red-handed Also flagrante delicto
[Latin, literally: with the crime still blazing]
Peer comment(s):

neutral Joseph Brazauskas : 'Flagranti' is the better form here, since participles used adjectivally ordinarily employ the i-stem form in the ablative, while those used substantively employ -e. Cf. Allen & Greenough, Latin Grammar, § 121.a.1f. But you did not translate 'caught'.
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Just quoting Marian, who is pretty expert in this field. I am no expert on Latin.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

International law in historical perspective - Google Books Result
J. H. W. Verzijl - 1978 - Law - 547 pages
... not be convicted on a charge of espionage, for which he could be tried only if captured in flagranti delicto. The acquittal was based, on the one hand, ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=9028601481...
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