Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Aug 26, 2003 00:32
20 yrs ago
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Spanish term
poder
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Journalism
"La experiencia señala claramente que la justicia retributiva no rehabilita al delincuente y tampoco satisface a la víctima. Sin embargo, el poder conserva el criterio de retribución como base de los sistemas de justicia en gran parte del mundo". -- Este texto es parte de un documento sobre violencia contra los niños. A partir de otros lugares donde aparece el término "poder", entiendo que se refiere tanto al Estado como a los poderosos en términos económicos, políticos, pero no sé qué ponerle. De alguna lectura remota, recojo "the powers that be" como una buena versión, pero me parece que tiene un tinte literario. ¿Me podrían mostrar citas, o sea pasajes que me permitan apreciar el contexto en que se usa la traducción que me propongan?
Proposed translations
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| 4 +5 | those in power |
Parrot
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| 5 +2 | the authorities |
JudyK
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| 4 +2 | the decision makers |
Elena Sgarbo (X)
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| 5 +1 | governments |
Henry Hinds
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| 5 | governments |
Jorge Rubino
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| 5 | authority |
Henry Hinds
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| 4 | power of the state/power of state |
Russell Gillis
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| 3 +1 | the Powers That Be (the Powers-That-Be) |
swisstell
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| 4 | those who hold / wield power .. // those who rule... |
dawn39 (X)
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| 4 | "those in power" |
C.A.Fox (X)
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| 4 | the established power / power structures / established power structure(s) |
dawn39 (X)
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| 4 | Respuesta a tu pregunta |
Parrot
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Proposed translations
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those in power
try this for size. The State is abstract, but what's behind it are men and ruling ideologies.
Peer comment(s):
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dawn39 (X)
: yep! this is my idea, as well
26 mins
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demerchd
4 hrs
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| agree |
Refugio
5 hrs
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| agree |
StudioErrante
7 hrs
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| agree |
colemh
11 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Es la frase más corta que recoge un lado del sentido de "poder" en el texto referido, el lado físico, la carne y hueso del poder, a los que apunta el texto. Pero, el otro lado, el de "sistema de poder, de dominación", digamos "las cosas tal como funcionan", que podría, por ejemplo, traducirse como "establishment", ¿cómo lo adjunto a "those in power"?; es decir, ¿cómo hago para alcanzar en inglés el grado de indefinición, de apertura, de ambigüedad del uso de esta palabra, "poder" en castellano -- especialmente en el discurso político/periodístico boliviano, que es de donde bebe quien escribió el texto original?"
4 mins
power of the state/power of state
This phrase is commonly used in government references:
A team of child welfare workers agreed that there was reason to fear for the ... In this case, it was good to have the power of the state agency: we were able to ...
management tool for its child protection services ... came directly under the power of the state for their ...
A team of child welfare workers agreed that there was reason to fear for the ... In this case, it was good to have the power of the state agency: we were able to ...
management tool for its child protection services ... came directly under the power of the state for their ...
Peer comment(s):
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Nobuo Kawamura
: Estoy de acuerdo.
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Thanks Nobuo!
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dawn39 (X)
: well, in my opinion the text refers to other powers as well
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Power of the state does not refer to a specific power, but rather is a generic term synonymous with "power of the government". As the subject matter is child welfare, the State would be the party with the power.
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C.A.Fox (X)
: agree with dawn39, suggest "those in power" which adequately includes all without defining and thereby inadvertently excluding.
1 hr
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As I mentioned in the above response, in child welfare cases it is the State (or government) that has the authority to rule in these cases.
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7 mins
governments
in plural in this context, because it is referred to all governments and all countries
Peer comment(s):
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dawn39 (X)
: as Eid says, the "power" in this text goes beyond governments: it refers to powerful people in general, I think...
36 mins
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i don't think so, Dawn; I think it's the government power the original is speaking about
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18 mins
the Powers That Be (the Powers-That-Be)
refers to real and perceived power as well as to wishes and dreams of power. You will find lots of Google references on this, from the satyrical to the serious.
Peer comment(s):
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dawn39 (X)
: yes, I think it doesn´t fit here as it has got many connotations. Have a nice day
17 mins
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24 mins
the decision makers
...Otra opción muy usada acá en USA para referirse al poder y a quienes lo ejercen.
Suerte
Elena
**THE DECISION-MAKERS** OBLIGATION - WAYNE MARTIN QC
The decision-maker's obligation to provide a statement of reasons, fact and evidence. The Law. WAYNE MARTIN QC. MEMBER, ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW COUNCIL. ...
http://nationalsecurity.ag.gov.au/arca/martin.html - 49k
Fearless Caregiver Sposorship KIT Forum
... Meet **the Decision Makers**. Why Caregivers? Responsible for spending approximately $47,000 annually. Responsible for the financial ...
http://www.caregiver.com/FearlessCaregiverForum/cleveland/fe... - 8k
Management--Holding **the Decision Makers** Accountable: Relocating ...
Holding the Decision Makers Accountable: Relocating the Locus of Financial Accountability Within a Dual-mode Institution Tom Prebble. ...
”TacticalTrainer” the decision makers’ interactive training ... Press Release 20 June 200 ”TacticalTrainer” **the decision makers’** interactive training tool of the future - a development project - On 1 June 2000 the ...
If **decision-makers** are to apply the evolving principles of ESD to ...
... Information Technologies models the reality in such a way that information on it can be efficiently found and transported to the decision makers in a useful ...
Suerte
Elena
**THE DECISION-MAKERS** OBLIGATION - WAYNE MARTIN QC
The decision-maker's obligation to provide a statement of reasons, fact and evidence. The Law. WAYNE MARTIN QC. MEMBER, ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW COUNCIL. ...
http://nationalsecurity.ag.gov.au/arca/martin.html - 49k
Fearless Caregiver Sposorship KIT Forum
... Meet **the Decision Makers**. Why Caregivers? Responsible for spending approximately $47,000 annually. Responsible for the financial ...
http://www.caregiver.com/FearlessCaregiverForum/cleveland/fe... - 8k
Management--Holding **the Decision Makers** Accountable: Relocating ...
Holding the Decision Makers Accountable: Relocating the Locus of Financial Accountability Within a Dual-mode Institution Tom Prebble. ...
”TacticalTrainer” the decision makers’ interactive training ... Press Release 20 June 200 ”TacticalTrainer” **the decision makers’** interactive training tool of the future - a development project - On 1 June 2000 the ...
If **decision-makers** are to apply the evolving principles of ESD to ...
... Information Technologies models the reality in such a way that information on it can be efficiently found and transported to the decision makers in a useful ...
Reference:
www.ifad.dk/News/TacticalTrainer%20-%20Press%20Release.pdf
http://http://www1.worldbank.org/disted/Management/Operations/bud-01.html
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dawn39 (X)
: excelente opción, Elena. Cariños desde España ;-)
21 mins
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Muchas gracias, Dawn, cariños back :))
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demerchd
4 hrs
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Gracias demerchd
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32 mins
those who hold / wield power .. // those who rule...
Otras opciones...
Un cordial saludo.
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Note added at 2003-08-26 01:13:53 (GMT)
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\"... ill health. As for our role, we can require **those who wield power** to get off the backs of the people of the developing
nations. ... \"
bmj.com/cgi/content/full/311/7008/809/c
Un cordial saludo.
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Note added at 2003-08-26 01:13:53 (GMT)
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\"... ill health. As for our role, we can require **those who wield power** to get off the backs of the people of the developing
nations. ... \"
bmj.com/cgi/content/full/311/7008/809/c
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48 mins
Henry Hinds
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
&
English
United States
43 years of Border Experience and fast.
Native in: English 
, Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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40
governments
In this context (plural because it is in general), because they wield the power.
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Note added at 2003-08-26 05:43:12 (GMT)
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Ofrezco una segunda opinión (abajo).
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Note added at 2003-08-26 05:43:12 (GMT)
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Ofrezco una segunda opinión (abajo).
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
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dawn39 (X)
: same as Jorge Rubino. As Eid says, the "power" in this text goes beyond governments: it refers to powerful people in general, I think...
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The idea is valid, I think, although the "power" is wielded through government, which is in charge of the justice system, and the powerful people are in charge of government.
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Clara Fuentes
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Gracias, Clara.
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"those in power"
as indicated in my disagreement, the interpretation has to be as general and inclusive as possible. Spanish is wonderfully all-embracing in its succinctness!
5 hrs
Henry Hinds
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
&
English
United States
43 years of Border Experience and fast.
Native in: English , Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
:
40
authority
Tal vez esta palabra, "authority", encierre el concepto de "poder" en este sentido. Me permito dar una segunda opinión porque tampoco me satisface "gobierno" ya que el concepto es más amplio.
Ahora pueden seguir opinando los demás.
Ahora pueden seguir opinando los demás.
Reference:
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8 hrs
the authorities
this term is often used as a general term to refer to those in power
1 day 3 hrs
the established power / power structures / established power structure(s)
Hola de nuevo, Ricardo.
Al leer tu mención al "establishment", me han venido a la cabeza estas opciones.
Espero que te sirvan.
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"**Established Power** "
bbrace.laughingsquid.net/Established-Power.html
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"... Putin makes sweeping changes to **power structures** ... era KGB, by abolishing two other
power-wielding agencies. ... the head of the newly established state committee ..."
www.gazeta.ru/2003/03/11/Putinmakessw.shtml
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"Getting **established power structures** to >recognize the ..."
www.nocturne.org/world/archives/9811/0390.html
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"Through its control of the media and ultimately the historical record itself, **the established power structure** denies the exposure of the
hidden conspiratorial ...
Descripción: A think-tank for serious conspiracy research.
Categoría: Society > Issues > Conspiracy"
www.ctrl.org/
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Otro saludo cordial.
Al leer tu mención al "establishment", me han venido a la cabeza estas opciones.
Espero que te sirvan.
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
"**Established Power** "
bbrace.laughingsquid.net/Established-Power.html
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
"... Putin makes sweeping changes to **power structures** ... era KGB, by abolishing two other
power-wielding agencies. ... the head of the newly established state committee ..."
www.gazeta.ru/2003/03/11/Putinmakessw.shtml
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
"Getting **established power structures** to >recognize the ..."
www.nocturne.org/world/archives/9811/0390.html
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
"Through its control of the media and ultimately the historical record itself, **the established power structure** denies the exposure of the
hidden conspiratorial ...
Descripción: A think-tank for serious conspiracy research.
Categoría: Society > Issues > Conspiracy"
www.ctrl.org/
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
Otro saludo cordial.
1 day 9 hrs
Respuesta a tu pregunta
Creo que "those in power" es suficientemente ambiguo como para admitir "establishment". Aparte de los poderes políticos se sobreentiende que están los económicos y los que condicionan la opinión pública (religión, prensa, etc.), pero distingue entre los del status quo y los disidentes.
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