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CNN's statement Apr 20, 2008

Yep, I was right. CNN didn't issue a statement in defense of itself until March 28th ...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/28/tibet.statement/index.html


BTW, I'm not trying to start another round of debate on the objectivity of the news media or the lack thereof. Just reminiscing on what some of us said, and when it was said in this forum. I per
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Yep, I was right. CNN didn't issue a statement in defense of itself until March 28th ...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/28/tibet.statement/index.html


BTW, I'm not trying to start another round of debate on the objectivity of the news media or the lack thereof. Just reminiscing on what some of us said, and when it was said in this forum. I personally always prefer to be consistent.



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好自为之 Apr 20, 2008

不打交道就不打交道。实际上,你我之间除了以前在此处聊聊天以外,也没打过什么其它交道,也没有任何私人恩怨。如果你认为我与你摊牌是为了赶什么时髦,或讨好什么人,那么首先问你自己会不会信?我无论在中国还是在美国,都是靠自己的真本事过日子,难道还需要赶什么时髦、讨好什么人吗?

我知道你所谓的“个别人”是指谁。其实你所谓的“另一种看法
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不打交道就不打交道。实际上,你我之间除了以前在此处聊聊天以外,也没打过什么其它交道,也没有任何私人恩怨。如果你认为我与你摊牌是为了赶什么时髦,或讨好什么人,那么首先问你自己会不会信?我无论在中国还是在美国,都是靠自己的真本事过日子,难道还需要赶什么时髦、讨好什么人吗?

我知道你所谓的“个别人”是指谁。其实你所谓的“另一种看法”,我在此处也公开表示过,所以实在算不上是什么“另一种看法”。既然他给你看了我的邮件,我也就没必要再替他保密。你想不想看看他私下在给我的邮件中对你是什么看法?如果你需要,我可以把他给我的邮件连同我的答复一起发给你,让你自己去判断。你的悲哀就在于,你明明自己曾对此人的品行公开表示过质疑,现在却对他的话如此相信。当然,那也是你的自由。你好自为之吧!
chance wrote:

我们两个人的问题算是谈清楚了,希望不会再和你打交道。

只是有一点小疑问,你在论坛对我是还可以,但是在和个别人的邮件中好像是另一种看法?不过这些都是过去的事情了,无论如何它不会影响到我对现在讨论问题的观点。

Yueyin Sun wrote:

你自己一再在此宣传你的光荣历史:在与你同龄的普通老百姓子女上山下乡的年代,你17岁就进了你所谓的特殊军事学校(或你所谓的“那类学校”),后来又获得了各种各样“桂冠”。中国对你并不薄。难道是什么时髦的东西让你这么快就改变了态度?

不管你如何理解,我可以明确地告诉你,我反对台独和藏独的立场从来就没有变过,将来也不会变!

与很多同仁一样,我以前对你也很尊敬。现在,我也很庆幸通过这些讨论更深入地了解了一些人。

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1972 年 乒乓外交 Apr 20, 2008

庄则栋 说他如今除了本行, 还从事 宣传 促进中美友好、中日友好 的工作.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3qkzrIWS8



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Apr 20, 2008

半个多钟头, 但值得一听. 庄则栋 挺能说会道的, 嗓门儿也真大.

他身体看来也很棒, 按如今的说法 是 "载体" 很好, or was that purely his invention? 看来不断地摆动手臂是对身体有好处 - 中医 还是 气功好像是有那么一说.

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半个多钟头, 但值得一听. 庄则栋 挺能说会道的, 嗓门儿也真大.

他身体看来也很棒, 按如今的说法 是 "载体" 很好, or was that purely his invention? 看来不断地摆动手臂是对身体有好处 - 中医 还是 气功好像是有那么一说.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGbAdqRANAI


~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_Pong_Diplomacy

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/02/25/pingpong.diplomacy/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Cowan



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容国团、庄则栋、李富荣 Apr 20, 2008

wherestip wrote:

庄则栋说他如今除了本行, 还从事宣传促进中美友好、中日友好的工作.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3qkzrIWS8


Steve,

庄则栋在90年代曾到过洛杉矶,在一所学校进行过表演和指导。我去那里看过他的表演和指导。当时,他没发表什么演讲,说话比较低调。不管曾经怎样,看来他也很不容易。球迷们也仍然喜欢他。

第26届世乒赛中国男队夺得团体冠军之后,李富荣曾到华东化工学院去表演。当时我正在华东化工学院念预科。那时,华东化工学院是上海高校多年的乒乓球冠军,实力不亚于某些国家的乒乓球队。

不能忘记的是,中国的第一个世界冠军是从香港回大陆的容国团。1959年在第25届世界乒乓球锦标赛上,他为中国夺得了第一个乒乓球男子单打世界冠军,也是中华人民共和国第一个世界冠军。他后来担任中国女队教练,带领中国女队在第28届世乒赛上夺得了团体冠军。可惜容国团在文革期间受迫害而英年早逝。

文革期间,由于政治原因,中国乒乓球队不能参加世界锦标赛,这是中国的巨大损失,也是那苦练了多年的运动员们的巨大损失。这也可能是很多运动员的终生遗憾!

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2020 Olympic Game PingPong Champion Apr 20, 2008

Steve,

请你看看这个,有何感想?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxnBSCTSbb0


 
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你们知道乒乓球起源于哪个国家吗? Apr 20, 2008

Yueyin Sun wrote:

Steve,

请你看看这个,有何感想?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxnBSCTSbb0


 
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普遍的说法是英国 Apr 20, 2008

isahuang wrote:
你们知道乒乓球起源于哪个国家吗?


但是,也可能你有新的出人意料的说法?


 
isahuang
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没有。 Apr 20, 2008

Yueyin Sun wrote:

isahuang wrote:
你们知道乒乓球起源于哪个国家吗?


但是,也可能你有新的出人意料的说法?


我一直以为乒乓球是国产,直到前几天中央电视台奥运节目里提到,我才长了知识。乒乓球最初是英国贵族茶余饭后的一种娱乐。真没想到,中国的国球还有贵族渊源。


 
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tennis grip Apr 20, 2008

Yueyin Sun wrote:

Steve,

请你看看这个,有何感想?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxnBSCTSbb0


Well, that last comment in the clip says it all


当年 林慧卿、郑敏之 两位女子削球手夺取女子双打冠军 记得是非常精彩且鼓舞人心的.


http://service2.xinhuanet.com/ssjj/45sps/html/141521571.htm

对, 是英国

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis


 
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有人还不知足啊 Apr 21, 2008

Yueyin Sun wrote:

你自己一再在此宣传你的光荣历史:在与你同龄的普通老百姓子女上山下乡的年代,你17岁就进了你所谓的特殊军事学校(或你所谓的“那类学校”),后来又获得了各种各样“桂冠”。中国对你并不薄。难道是什么时髦的东西让你这么快就改变了态度?



有的人生有点坎坷,去修理“地球”若干年,返美后靠个人努力进入IBM。最近媒体向大众征稿收集四十年前发生的知青岁月,投稿的反馈极其热烈;广东地区的“知识青年”大多数是去海南岛修理“地球”,其他省市也有各种不同的知青岁月,去“北大荒”(更苦吧)拓荒是哪些省市的人?建议有相同知青际遇的人向报社投稿。

与之形成对比的是,有人托某些特殊身份,进入哪类学校(洗洗耳在听)啊?80年代中后期通过什么渠道进入法国,通过婚姻获取绿卡进而成为公民的际遇。不明就里的人还以为历尽坎坷,还以为是“怎一个愁字了得”也不能够淋漓尽述的坎坷经历和受尽磨厉的人生际遇篇。


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红红 Apr 21, 2008

谁家都有一本难念的经,也许她有她的特殊情况。咱们就不要多说了。让她自己静静地回想一下她的激情燃烧的岁月,也就是她在国内那段确实值得她自豪的岁月,就像电视连续剧《激情燃烧的岁月》里所描绘的那种。

《激情燃烧的岁月》是关于一位将军和他的妻子以及参军子女们的故事。这里是《激情燃烧的岁月》剧情简介:
http://www.tvmao.com/episode/JiQingRanShaoDeSuiYue-11070/0/


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IMO, PR is the heart of the problem Apr 21, 2008

Jason Ma wrote:

Angus, thanks for your explanation. Your post appreared little bit too late before I noticed it. Sorry for this tardy reply.

Most of the time, western media is doing a pretty good job, but sometimes not. One typical example is Iraq War (from its initiative to its aftermath).
Do you think the presence of western media could prevent what happened on March 14? Or they would just inflame the situation?




Never mind.

First of all, there are several big no nos which need to be outlined here.

1. Do not try to accuse your opponent of something, if you are doing exactly the same or even far worse, for it ALWAYS backfires.

2. This Olympic year, so PR or public image of the country is of number one priority. Once you lose that, you lose the the heart of the general public which would turn quickly into a PR disaster which subsequently would be translated into harsher political statements as well as actions, like what happened during Taiwan elections. Your opponent couldn't be happier if you try that tactic.

3. How successful the Olympic game is depends largely on how the world media portraits it, not on just how the host country and its propaganda machine praise it. Even the ex Chairman of the Olympic game said the same thing, therefore this is one of the rudiments that every host country should always bear in mind. The media is the judge, not the host country.

Let's see if you agree with all these, then we can move on.


 
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請對事, 莫對人 Apr 21, 2008

redred wrote:

Yueyin Sun wrote:

你自己一再在此宣传你的光荣历史:在与你同龄的普通老百姓子女上山下乡的年代,你17岁就进了你所谓的特殊军事学校(或你所谓的“那类学校”),后来又获得了各种各样“桂冠”。中国对你并不薄。难道是什么时髦的东西让你这么快就改变了态度?



别人却是人生坎坷,去修理“地球”,靠个人努力进入IBM。最近媒体向大家征稿收集四十年前开始的知青岁月,反映极其热烈,广东地区的“知识青年”大多数是去海南岛修理“地球”,其他省市也有各种不同的知青岁月,去“北大荒”(更苦)拓荒是哪些省市的人?建议有相同际遇的人向媒体投稿。

与之形成对比的是,有人托某些特殊身份,进入哪类学校(洗洗耳在听)?80年代中后期通过某类渠道进入法国,进而成为别人第二婚的配偶身份,获取绿卡进而公民身份的际遇。(不明就里的人还以为历尽坎坷)。


辯論涉及的應該是其論點論據, 而非私隱.

請尊重他人, 也尊重自己修養.

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你问过好几遍了 Apr 21, 2008

你好像在暗示我说 "Yes."
... The answer is "No."
美的你。:-D

chance wrote:
我已经问过是否有人想抵制外文翻译?

好像大家还都明白,抵制对谁都没好处。



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